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South Africa[edit]

Nqubeko Zulu[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JC Kritzinger[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Few bits and pieces here and there with some of them having him as the main subject, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Janke[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this piece detailing a criminal charge in Australia. JTtheOG (talk) 16:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tertius Maarman[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Evides pubiventris[edit]

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A similar article exists. Kindly redirect to that NBV2010 (talk) 19:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 June 10. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 19:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, what is the similar article? Esolo5002 (talk) 20:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep UtherSRG (talk) 20:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Ref 1 states that a basionym is Chrysodema pubiventris, but there is no article with that name, at least. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. This is a valid species name, as shown at Ref 1. The existence of an article on a genus is not a reason to delete an article on a species. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep See Reference 1 on the article. ADifferentMan (talk) 05:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PJ Vermeulen[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Just found this on this one, so not enough for a GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lyndon Hartnick[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Other than this struggling to find GNG passing coverage. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WesBank Raceway[edit]

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I couldn't find sources to show this meets WP:N, or a suitable WP:ATD. It has been in CAT:NN for 12 years now, so hopefully we can decide now one way or the other. Boleyn (talk) 07:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Reading articles at news24 and IOL, I'm able to gather that the race track existed for four years before the land was sold. There's a throwaway line of "so many records were broken here" but nothing specific. I don't see that any notable races happened here, that notable racers racers there. Or any SIGCOV while it was operating. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PW van Vuuren[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete While there is this I'm struggling to find anything else GNG worthy. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stairs Mhlongo[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coert Cronjé[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 South African provincial elections[edit]

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No reason for this article to exist. User was BOLD in creating it, but there are individual articles for the provincial elections, and the results summary (which is all it is) belongs on the main page, where it was cut from. It also does not attribute the source article. Greenman (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. This should really just be on the main article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as the primary article is already very large, and it should remain mostly focused on the national parliamentary election. I propose keeping this article, and removing all the repeating content from the primary one.

If length is an issue, there are better things to remove from the main article than the results summary. That page cannot display endless opinion polls, various trivia in the leadup etc., but not display the results :) Greenman (talk) 13:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MapperGuy87 (talk) 20:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — The original article is very long and a page for subdivisional elections is common for systems like this. This page could be more in-depth but it makes far more sense to put a shorter summary (probably in a table form) on the "general election" page and keep the in-depth stuff here. Watercheetah99 (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages. Greenman (talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm aware, this is just a common element of approaches to similar systems. There are intermediate pages to link elections on the same subdivision level; for example: despite the fact that pretty much every locality's elections had a specific page, the 2024 United Kingdom local elections article exists and helps link the elections. An even better example are pages like 2022 United States gubernatorial elections or 2023 Nigerian gubernatorial elections, these intermediate pages are common and serve a purpose. If we wanted to completely overhaul the 2024 South African election pages, these examples could be models: there'd be an overview page ("2024 South African elections" based on 2024 United States elections) with a tables and short summaries on national, provincial, and local (by-) elections; there'd be separate 2024 South African general election and 2024 South African provincial elections pages; and there'd be pages for each provincial election. This would shorten each article and avoid the current overlap of each page. Those are just my suggestions and probably too much work, but I'm still a Keep for this discussion. Watercheetah99 (talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seems reasonable to have a summary article that keeps all the provincial election results in one place and links out to more detailed articles. As Watercheetah says, this is fairly standard practice (e.g. 2023 Italian regional elections). Number 5 7 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andile Witbooi[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I can't even confirm his unfortunate death in a reliable source. JTtheOG (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marais Schmidt[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koch Marx[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were routine transactional announcements (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 02:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Main coverage appears to be from his time in Jersey, but I don't think there's enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luvuyo Pupuma[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Baggott[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lots of coverage of his career in Scotland, but the closest I can find to WP:GNG passing is from his post rugby career here. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Musk family[edit]

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Request to turn into Redirect to Musk (Disambiguation).

Article fails to demonstrate the notability of the "Musk Family" as an organisation or group, instead it is clearly serving as little more than a duplication of the existing disambiguation page. The short history section may have reliable sourcing but it is very blatantly written in terms of only Elon Musk and no-one else, and looks to be a cut down version of what's on his article's page which arguably evidences the lack of notability of the family as a whole.

Therefore the page should be turned into a redirect to the Disambiguation page until such a time noteworthiness of the family is established. Rambling Rambler (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article should have never existed, it's an embarrassment. There is nothing notable about the Musk family besides Elon. 101.98.188.156 (talk) 21:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Musk (disambiguation)#People – or split Musk (surname) from the main Musk dab page and redirect to the surname page instead. The family includes several notable individuals, but there is nothing notable about the family in its own right that would meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. Rosbif73 (talk) 12:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Musk (disambiguation)#People as the whole article centres around Elon's family until the Notable members section. A family is rarely notable of itself, excptions being the Windsors which redirects to House of Windsor and is a royal dynasty like the Ming dynasty, or the Kennedy family which is genuinely notable though as pointed out in this guideline that doesn't mean that all individuals in that family are notable by association (which this article seems to suggest). — Iadmc ♫^talk 17:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect for the same reasons mentioned above. AmrAlWatan^{(🗣️|📝)} 01:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jandré Blom[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of South Africa national rugby sevens players Online sourcing appears to be limited, however there is a suitable redirect per WP:ATD here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shane Spring[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Coverage appears to be limited, although there could be a couple of bits in Romanian or Spanish sources that are less easily accessible. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Dobson[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete There is this and a couple of other bits from his time in England. Personally don't think there is enough for a WP:GNG pass although close, and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lesaka Technologies[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill and other insufficient sources without proper in-depth coverage of the subject. Fails GNG, NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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* Keep - The Mail & Guardian article seems prominent enough to establish notability. WmLawson (talk) 05:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: An IP that added "Delete per WP:NCORP" to 3 AFDs in 2 minutes. I think the chance that the closing admin places weight on these posts is approximately zero. Geschichte (talk) 16:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Block evasion, at any rate -- struck. jp×g 🗯️ 01:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on present citations and also have found these additional citations Insider Monkey, Seeking Alpha, itweb, and The Street. It should be noted that this is a publicly listed company on NASDAQ and there are more news articles in Google under its current name and old name "Net 1 UEPS." Hkkingg (talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hkkingg, Seeking Alpha and TheStreet are, as I understand it, generally considered group blogs, not RS, and as far as I can tell Insider Monkey seems to be the same. Is there any specific reason not immediately obvious you believe those sources meet the criteria? (itweb seems to be a WP:CORPROUTINE announcement as well) Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know about this one. Simply Wall Street has a detailed analysis of the company's stock performance,[1] and this article (the second half) has important facts about the company (e.g., "3,300 employees in five African countries"), but there are so many press releases in the search results that it's hard to tell what's useful. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Francois Esterhuyzen[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jéan Rossouw[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Couple of bits here, here and here which I think make it worth a weak keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of the serious dearth of sources denoting notability. The ones provided above by RugbyFan22 are two routine listings of players, plus one nostalgia-cum-trivia article titled "Where Are They Now". We cannot construct notability on such thin ground. Otherwise, Wikipedia would be a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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South Africa Proposed deletions[edit]

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